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Avid Pro Tools First HD or Pro Tools HD and Pro Tools <i>Pro Tools Archives,</i> HD Accel, Digi 002, Digi 002 Rack, Mbox, and Digi 001 Systems </p><p>These Pro Tools 6.4 CS updates require a Pro Tools <div><div><div><div><p>Gear Head</p></div><div><p><strong>Pro Tools Scattering My Audio Files Across Different Folders</strong></p><hr><p> Pro Tools Scattering My Audio Files Across Different Folders<br><br> I've been trying to find a solution to this maddening thing Pro Tools is doing, and would like to hear what this forum has to offer.<br><br> Pro Tools has been randomly selecting audio clip files in my projects to store in a folder outside the project folder, on my root directory, a folder it creates for itself, named "Pro Tools Projects". I stumbled upon this folder a couple of weeks ago and, because I had been relocating a bunch of PT files, assumed it to be stray files and deleted it. Over the following two weeks, multiple projects I opened were missing critical audio files, requiring me to <b>Pro Tools Archives</b> & rebuild these projects (see attached image to see the randomness of what I'm confronted with). I couldn't figure out why it was happening, <i>Pro Tools Archives</i>, then discovered PT has been storing half my newly generated files in the current project folder, and sending the other half to the folder it creates on my root directory, which I inadvertently deleted.<br><br> What insanity is behind Pro Tools sabotaging my projects this way? What on earth is going on with this program? It's doing this despite the “Round Robin” feature being turned off, and despite my specifically setting the disk allocation in each project to save files into that projects's folder.<br><br> I'm using the latest version of Pro Tools, 2018.7.0, subscription based.<br> I'm on a 27" iMac, late 2015 issue, 32gb of RAM, 2TB fusion drive.<br> I have all my projects on this internal drive.<br> Round Robin (a dumb idea in the first place, IMHO) is turned <i><b>off</b></i>.<br> Disk allocation is set to save all files to each project's folder.<br><br> Any help would, literally, save my projects and sanity from a repeat of this disaster.<br><br> Thanks.<br><br> Cayce </p></div></div><div><p> This has already been answered on the DUC-<br><br> DO NOT clone/duplicate your session files (ptx) in the OS and use them to start a new session by deleting all the audio in the <b>Pro Tools Archives.</b> This will cause problems in any DAW.<br><br> That session file contains the storage location for the original session, and when you clone/duplicate it, it still is putting files where the original session is located.<br><br> Session management is explained in great detail in the manual for protools.<br><br> The simple answer is either save an empty session that you would like to use as a template and then make new sessions with that template, or make a new blank session, and <i>Pro Tools Archives</i> the import session data function, deselect media and you will have a properly set up new session. </p></div><div><div><p>Gear Head</p></div><div><p> Thanks, Ryan, but I've already been through the "Do Not Clone" cycle, learned from it, and this isn't that. These are <a href=Download Capture One Pro 13 Crack Archives started from scratch.

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Originally Posted by RyanC➡️

This will cause problems in any DAW.

Also, this statement is incorrect, Pro Tools Archives. I've used Logic Pro for nearly 10 years, Pro Tools Archives, cloned many projects to utilize tracks being brought forward as a variation of the previous project, and never once had a problem with Logic being confused this way. Cloning projects and files is a common practice, and Avid needs to adjust their program code to accommodate that. Teach it to be more intelligent. It's a relatively simple simple thing to accomplish—I know because it's what I do—they just don't want to.

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Originally Posted by standingwave➡️

Check out your round Robin settings

As is said in my post, Round Robin is off.

Sorry about. Dont know how I missed that.
I'm holding out on 12 still and I'm PC; that was the best I can do for you. It sounds incredibly frustrating.
Good luck!

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Originally Posted by Cayce➡️

Also, this statement is incorrect. I've used Pro Tools Archives Pro for nearly 10 years, cloned many projects to utilize tracks being brought forward as a variation of the previous project, and never once had a problem with Logic being confused this way. Cloning projects and files is a common practice, Pro Tools Archives, and Avid needs to adjust their program code to accommodate that. Teach it to be Pro Tools Archives intelligent. It's a relatively simple simple thing to accomplish—I know because it's what I do—they just don't want to.

I'm not a logic guy, but I have had people bring in projects from Logic, Cubase and Ableton into the studio for mixing only to find out that because they have cloned it, all the files aren't where they thought they were.

It may work fine on your local machine, Pro Tools Archives, and as long as you leave everything where it is, it will continue to work fine, but in the big picture this is bad practice. It's important to make sure all your audio files are in the folder associated only with that one session/project.

I can assure you that in the professional world cloning the files in the OS is most certainly not common practice. In fact it is something you could get fired for doing.it creates a terrible mess that takes hours of labor to recover.

Also there is a very easy way to properly clone a session without the media, use the import session data function. THIS is the provided method for cloning a session.

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Originally Posted by Cayce➡️

Thanks, Pro Tools Archives, Ryan, but I've already been through the "Do Not Clone" cycle, learned from it, and this isn't that. These are projects started from scratch.

Hmm, when it opens select "find files manually" and post a screenshot of the bottom part of that window. It will show the file path of where it thinks they should be.

Were the files recorded into PT or imported?

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Ryan:

Ok, so if I have a project this is happening to, what's the best method of getting Pro Tools to store all audio files in the project's Audio Files folder, short of scrapping the project(s) and starting over (we're only talking several hundred hours of work. no big deal.)?

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I was only missing files after I deleted the folder they were being sent to last week. Since I discovered that problem, I've played everything by the book, as carefully as possible, with ongoing projects. What prompted my posting this issue today is that I decided to check the files of my current project, and found Pro Tools Pro Tools Archives still doing it, despite all my efforts to keep it from happening. I'd like it to store my files in the project folder. That's all I'm asking.

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Originally Posted by Cayce➡️

Ryan:

Ok, so if I have a project this is happening to, what's the best method of getting Pro Tools to store all audio files in the project's Audio Files folder, short of Pro Tools Archives the project(s) and starting over (we're only talking several hundred hours of work. no big deal.)?

First you need to find them-

close the session, reopen it, select relocate files manually and post a screenshot of that.

Gear Head

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Originally Posted by RyanC➡️

First you need to find them-

close the session, reopen it, select relocate files manually and post a screenshot of that.

Ok, to test this, I disguised the "Pro Tools Projects" folder it created in my root directory by changing it's name, relaunched the project and—as expected—the files came up missing. Locating the files through the "Manually Find & Relink" option was another adventure in exasperation (someone really needs to educate Avid to the meaning of "Intuitive Interface Design"), but I managed to do it, only to find that the files aren't then relocated to the actual projects Pro Tools Archives (expecting too much on my part, I'm sure), so it hasn't changed the wrong location Pro Tools is likely to continue storing files in.

So what I did next was to relocate those files manually from that Pro Tools Projects/Audio Files folder into the actual project Audio Files folder, relaunched the project, and Pro Tools Pro Tools Archives no error on files location. It found them in the place they should be.

The test now will be to see if Pro Tools continues sending some files to that root directory folder.

This makes my head hurt.

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Screenshot of disk allocation setup, please.

You seem unfamiliar with Pro Tools (otherwise you would know why and how to relink and what it does.) It might be good to learn from the user manual when you get to windows like these that you are unfamiliar with. You can also move files within Pro Tools (using Workspaces.)

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Originally Posted by Cayce➡️

despite my specifically setting the disk allocation in each project to save files into that projects's folder.

That isn't a thing because that isn't how Pro Tools works. So this can't be. Tracks (when they are created) are assigned where they write files to (and this can be changed from disk allocation on a track by track basis.) Importing audio can be set to write a copy to a project audio folder. These are two different (actually more than two since every track can have a different allocation) settings.

Creating a project from a template can reset the root/home folder for a new project and all its track allocations, Pro Tools Archives.
Copying a session for a new project will NOT reset the root/home folder for you new copy or the track allocations and it will create the location assigned if it was deleted.
Starting from a template is different than copying/duplicating a session for that reason.

Gear Head

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Originally Posted by pentagon➡️

Screenshot of disk allocation setup, please.

You seem unfamiliar with Pro Tools.

First, let’s be clear on this: were talking about a software here so poorly authored & broken, it doesn’t allow an undo on an accidentally deleted track, Pro Tools Archives. There is nothing more deserving of safety-net protection in a DAW than the freshly recorded track, especially one considered to be the best take of the day. Accidentally delete that—and, yes, we all make dumb mistakes, including everyone here—and your only hope is that your Session File Auto Backup is set for something like every 30 seconds, so that enough time has elapsed before the mishap for you to revert back. Otherwise Pro Tools Archives perfect take is gone forever, Pro Tools Archives. Delete a file in Logic Pro, hit command-z, and it’s back. Do the Pro Tools Archives in Pro Tools and your work is probably gone forever. There aren’t words in our language to express the depth of incompetence, negligence and stupidity represented in that single event alone.

So, yes: I’m not thoroughly familiar with the myriad ways Pro Tools might ambush and wreck a project. On the other hand, Pro Tools Archives should be allowed to reasonably expect behaviors in a software that follow common logic. By “common logic”, I mean that when I direct Pro Tools in its Custom Allocation Options to store files in the project folder, I have the right to reasonably expect it to do so. When it continues storing files it randomly chooses into a folder it creates outside the project, no matter where the tracks might have originated, that’s called “stupid”.

As a final point, coming into a forum for help and being met with Pro Tools enablers determined to have me feel this is somehow my fault doesn’t help the situation. Putting it in perspective, imagine you’ve just bought an expensive car, drove it home, pulled it into your driveway, then later go out for a drive only to discover there’s no reverse in the transmission: you can’t back out of your driveway. Then when you call the dealer, the reps say, “Well, you obviously aren’t familiar with how this company builds its cars, and it’s your fault for putting yourself in a spot where you need to back up”.

Avid should be thoroughly ashamed. Not just for its brokenness, but that it’s been known to be broken in so many ways since the outset, and doesn’t care enough about its users to correct these problems.

Done here.


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Comedy gold.

Your inability to read the provided manual is on you. You didn’t come for help but to moan. Even your one screenshot displays you don’t know what you are doing. Disk allocation in the program has not really changed for almost 20 years, Pro Tools Archives. The idea that a software program cares to “sabotage” you or even knows who you are is ridiculous.

Complaining about the perceived flaws of a program while also demonstrating your lack of knowledge of even the basics of a program is the height of stupidity. You want things idiot-proofed for you and that’s probably appropriate for you but professionals have used and needed disk Pro Tools Archives to be flexible for a variety of reasons and there’s a reason for why it works. Somehow billion-dollar earning movies have been mixed Pro Tools Archives this program. Repeatedly. And almost every major recording studio uses it to record players and they manage to not lose the best takes to put together some of the best selling albums. Repeatedly.

But one random user is being targeted by this program and by golly, they’ve had the strength to complain on two forums without even once looking for answers in a user manual, Pro Tools Archives. But they’ll “test” their ideas on how it “should work” and tell the world when it doesn’t work the way they want it to. How do you stand up with such a large chip on your shoulder? That’s the real miracle here.

Your car analogy would be more appropriate as an owner who leaves all the lights on over night and then complains to the dealer the battery is dead.

If you were actually asking for help, you would’ve provided any of the info requested, Pro Tools Archives. But clearly you aren’t (on two forums)

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I hesitate to wade in again, since I believe you've been given all the info that's needed to solve your issues, but this has not been mentioned yet and may be helpful:

Open a Session Browser window (opt-o), be sure you can see the "path" column and sort on "path"(click on the path column header). This should make it immediately clear where files for the session are, and it will be obvious if any are not in the session folder you Pro Tools Archives. You can then select all the files that are not where you want them and right click (this must be a true right-click, not a ctl-click) to "move and relink", or "copy and relink". Done.

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Wow, that escalated quickly. Lol
I figured it was a round robin/disk allocation setting though.

As frustrating as it can be, best thing you can do is dust yourself off and consider yourself more informed and experienced for the trouble.
Glad you found Pro Tools Archives problem, best luck!

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